White Seeds died before the citadel of Ultimecia

The final dialog of Ultimecia would then be intended to Squall because it could begin to remember him, but she has not the time to finish his speech and dies before …
Dialog of Ultimecia: "remember thy … childhood, this intense feeling, ta way of speaking, these raw emotion … growing up, thou hast forgotten the half of yourself … but the time not expected, whatever your desire, time flows such as sand … and …".
When Ultimecia is defeated, it bequeathed his powers to Edea in the past. Then it can be assumed that Edea is aware that Linoa is in truth Ultimecia but it refuses to tell the truth to Squall for it to complete any of the same its mission: kill Ultimecia.

It should not be forgotten that Ultimecia Linoa and both have a pair of wings. While the wings of Ultimecia are black and real, those of Linoa are white and are only a ground in his back, but in the video of end, they seem to take life when Squall takes the white plume in his hand. This change in color could be explained by the transformation of a person Angélique in a person of evil: Linoa would become Ultimecia.

The white wings of Linoa   
The black wings of Ultimecia

What is the point of view of the witches? It is known that Hyne was the first Witch of the world of FF VIII. It is she who has created the humanity. Before dying (killed by his creation), she has shared her power between several people who have become of witches, each with a fragment of the power of Hyne. On their death, they ceded their fragment of authority to another person who becomes a witch in its turn. Hyne would therefore have shared its express power for not only one person (a witch) not malicious use of the totality of its power to destroy its creation (humanity).

Ultimecia is a nécromancienne (witch) of the future who wants to bring together all the fragments of the power of Hyne and contrary to this last, it wants to destroy humanity. Its intentions are therefore contrary to those of Hyne: one creates the humanity, the other wants to destroy it. It is a representation of a good and a bad side: personification of the god and the Devil (square like the religious references in its games). Ultimecia would have therefore taken all the power of Hyne by killing all the witches of his time. Discovering the research of Dr. Geyser, it would also have discovered the existence of a single authority which would only exist in the past (in this for us): The power of Ellone. It would then be served from this machine to check its own power (the one that it has bequeathed to Edea) and be used to force Ellone to send his power in the past, more precisely in the body of Adel when she was young. Then she would have to compress the time. It can therefore compare Hyne to God, the Creator, and Ultimecia the devil. Linoa would then be an archangel of Hyne who would become Ultimecia. The analogy God=Hyne and devil=Ultimecia=Linoa Concorde.

To continue the elements that we prove that Linoa may prove to be Ultimecia, we note the final form of Ultimecia during the last battle.


Final form of Ultimecia

This representation of Ultimecia is divided into two parts: the top who has no face but who said to be Ultimecia.

SCAN OF THE UPPER PART: "Ultimecia, transformed to absorb the time and space. Absorbs all existence even at this moment. "

It may also be noted that it has a low part, who happens to be returned (which strangely resembles Anima of FF X). This part has the same human face that the first Ultimecia that the fighting in the citadel. It can be assumed that this is a kind of conflict: the part of the bottom would be Linoa while the top part would be his evil side, that which prevailed in the body of the first Ultimecia the final fight. In this case, the final speech would be sent to itself.

SCAN OF THE LOWER PART: "the point where is generated the magical source of Ultimecia. It launches the ultimate magic through the power generated here. "

 Ultimecia is a nécromancienne (witch) of the future who wants to bring together all the fragments of the power of Hyne and contrary to this last, it wants to destroy humanity. Its intentions are therefore contrary to those of Hyne: one creates the humanity, the other wants to destroy it. It is a representation of a good and a bad side: personification of the god and the Devil (square like the religious references in its games). Ultimecia would have therefore taken all the power of Hyne by killing all the witches of his time. Discovering the research of Dr. Geyser, it would also have discovered the existence of a single authority which would only exist in the past (in this for us): The power of Ellone. It would then be served from this machine to check its own power (the one that it has bequeathed to Edea) and be used to force Ellone to send his power in the past, more precisely in the body of Adel when she was young. Then she would have to compress the time. It can therefore compare Hyne to God, the Creator, and Ultimecia the devil. Linoa would then be an archangel of Hyne who would become Ultimecia. The analogy God=Hyne and devil=Ultimecia=Linoa Concorde.

To continue the elements that we prove that Linoa may prove to be Ultimecia, we note the final form of Ultimecia during the last battle.


Final form of Ultimecia

This representation of Ultimecia is divided into two parts: the top who has no face but who said to be Ultimecia.

SCAN OF THE UPPER PART: "Ultimecia, transformed to absorb the time and space. Absorbs all existence even at this moment. "

It may also be noted that it has a low part, who happens to be returned (which strangely resembles Anima of FF X). This part has the same human face that the first Ultimecia that the fighting in the citadel. It can be assumed that this is a kind of conflict: the part of the bottom would be Linoa while the top part would be his evil side, that which prevailed in the body of the first Ultimecia the final fight. In this case, the final speech would be sent to itself.

SCAN OF THE LOWER PART: "the point where is generated the magical source of Ultimecia. It launches the ultimate magic through the power generated here. "

 
His face in its first form   
"Kurse all seeds. "

It is also to emphasize the phrase "be damned! ", that declared Ultimecia, which gives in English, voluntarily misspelled for an unknown reason "Kurse all seeds. "Ultimecia in truly wants to to the members of the seed and wish only their death. If you think about it, of all the members of the team who face Ultimecia at the end of the game, only Linoa is not a seed. Squall, Quistis, Selphie, Zell and Irvine are part of the armed forces appointed seeds and have for the purpose of destroying the witches. Thus one can infer that if Linoa proves to be Ultimecia, its commitment for squall, a seed, will have been diverted to his death and will be changed in hatred for the seeds. In addition, Ultimecia being a witch, it is the priority target of seeds who want to eliminate it. Also the cursed it for this reason. She would have spent his time to hunt down and destroy all the members of the seeds (it is also for that reason that the Seeds White people were found dead in front of the citadel of Ultimecia). His former love for the seeds would be changed in hatred and Linoa vengerait themselves of the death of Squall on the seeds to which it was a part.
His face in its first form   
"Kurse all seeds. "

It is also to emphasize the phrase "be damned! ", that declared Ultimecia, which gives in English, voluntarily misspelled for an unknown reason "Kurse all seeds. "Ultimecia in truly wants to to the members of the seed and wish only their death. If you think about it, of all the members of the team who face Ultimecia at the end of the game, only Linoa is not a seed. Squall, Quistis, Selphie, Zell and Irvine are part of the armed forces appointed seeds and have for the purpose of destroying the witches. Thus one can infer that if Linoa proves to be Ultimecia, its commitment for squall, a seed, will have been diverted to his death and will be changed in hatred for the seeds. In addition, Ultimecia being a witch, it is the priority target of seeds who want to eliminate it. Also the cursed it for this reason. She would have spent his time to hunt down and destroy all the members of the seeds (it is also for that reason that the Seeds White people were found dead in front of the citadel of Ultimecia). His former love for the seeds would be changed in hatred and Linoa vengerait themselves of the death of Squall on the seeds to which it was a part.

If squall is died of natural causes, it will have been all the more easy for Linoa to get rid of the whole group given their very advanced age. Otherwise, we can think that Zell, Irvine, Quistis and Selphie will have tried to stop Ultimecia (Linoa) without success and would have perished. However if they manage to destroy it in the game, why there would they not when they would have discovered the true identity of Linoa? Perhaps a surprise effect on the part of the whole new Ultimecia…

Three important elements: the kinematics of the intro, the dream of Linoa and kinematics of END. The moment when one sees Linoa transform a flower petal in white plume of light follows with the kinematics of END. In effect, the last cutscene begins when squall is found only in a sort of desert (Squall sank in a temporal flaw). During that he is walking, Linoa is in the process of search and short across the plains in the field of flowers of the beginning of the intro. It is here that Linoa uses this pen to find squall, it is therefore this pen that Squall sees fall before him.


Exchange Linoa a petal in the Pen   
Squall wanders alone in the flaw

   
Linoa lost in the temporal flaw, research squall, as in his dream

   
Squall sees the pen of Linoa fall before him
Judging by what we see in the final kinematics, squall lives or dream which has dreamed Linoa. When she told him of her dream, she told him that she woke up in tears. However, we can see a tear flow on the face of squall at the time where Linoa is on the point of the find.


The tear of Squall   
Dissipation of the haze of the flaw

However, the end of the cutscene no longer reflects the dream of Linoa. In her dream, she does not find squall. The dissipation of the haze of the temporal flaw can symbolize his alarm clock, or its output of the flaw through Linoa and their promise to find themselves. In all cases, the dream of Linoa is not realized because they find themselves thanks to their promise made to the orphanage.


Linoa found Squall

:: a theory that lack of robustness?

Despite the numerous tracks leading us to believe that Linoa would be Ultimecia, other indices, we show that this theory lack of strength.

At the beginning of the CD4, in lunatic Pandora, after defeating Adel, which takes place between the hero, Ellone and Laguna. Ellone sends by its capabilities of synchronization the power to Adel, the power to Ultimecia (that has bequeathed Edea to Linoa CD2, so we are talking about the power that Ultimecia itself has bequeathed to Edea at the orphanage in the past) and the spirit of Linoa in the past. These two powers associated with the spirit of Linoa are sent in the body of Adel when she was young (probably when she reigned on Esthar). After what, Ellone returns not that the spirit of Linoa. Which leads us to think that Linoa is no longer a witch at the end of the game. However, custody Linoa its limit Break canonization, which is a symbol of his state of witch.
Limit Break Canonization

The CD3, Edea we said that Ultimecia is a witch who appears in several generations. If Squall died of natural causes in the future, it will have reached a certain age and if Linoa is actually more a witch, it does possess more its gift of longevity. However Ultimecia seems young (nothing we said that Linoa is still in life in the future generations where Ultimecia appears).

In addition, important point, if Linoa and Ultimecia are beautiful and well the same person: Why would she like to compress the time? This not only would kill squall that she would have wanted to find, but worse yet this would kill her itself because it would kill the same Linoa blow such that it is in the present of the story, so its past. Edea explains to us that Ultimecia will be the only one able to survive in this unique dimension created by the Temporal compression. So if one follows the previous reasoning, Ultimecia Linoa and may not be the same person as the witch would die in the future in having killed his past (unless the temporal compression does not prevent this kind of thing, but in all cases, it would kill Squall).

The fact that during the final fight Ultimecia invokes Cronos/griever could be explained by the following hypothesis: Ultimecia can read in the thoughts of the people. Cronos/griever is the materialization of the worst nightmares of heroes. But given that we are controlling squall during the adventure as the main character, Cronos/griever could be the reflection of what sees squall. The other characters could see a different monster corresponding to their own fears, but the latter is intended to squall.

Another detail: the citadel of Ultimecia is not located on the place of the appointment of Squall and Linoa, but before the orphanage.


Citadel of Ultimecia

Finally, the color of the Wings of Linoa and Ultimecia could simply be explained by the opposition between the hero and the villain of the history, a simple opposition between white and black.

::: If Ultimecia is not Linoa Heartilly then who is it?

Before formulating the three possible theories to answer this question, we will address a possible link between Ultimecia and Adel.


Adel merged with Linoa   
Adel
Once terraced Ultimecia she travels in the past and bequeathed his powers to Edea. At the end of the CD2, Edea transmits them in turn to Linoa. It has been said that Ultimecia from his time (future) wants to resume control of the powers it has bequeathed to Edea in the past. By doing this, it takes the control also the body that has received : Edea or Linoa.


The orphanage in the past   
Linoa receive the powers of Edea

At the beginning of the CD4, Adel is killed and Linoa retrieves its powers. It is there that Ellone sends the spirit of Linoa and the two powers that it has received (that of Adel and that of Edea, in other words that of Ultimecia) in the past, more precisely in the body of Adel when she was young, probably when she reigned on Esthar. So if we summarizes, the power to Ultimecia passes of Ultimecia to Edea (from the future to the PAST) which is transmitted in its turn to Linoa (the present) after what this power is transmitted from Linoa to Adel by the gift of synchronization of Ellone (therefore the power to Ultimecia returns in the past). But the most interesting is the fact that Ultimecia control this power (which is then present in all eras) of the future during his reign, in the past before his death. Paradoxically, if Ultimecia controls the power, it controls the body of the witch who holds this power: it is deduced that therefore she controlled Adel when she reigned on Esthar, as later Edea Linoa and will be controlled.
As it remains a witch, she keeps her gift of longevity and could become of evil to the death of her husband Cid Krammer. Which would explain why she creates the Seed: for that its members the kill to cases where it would become the evil. In addition, this would explain why the citadel of Ultimecia is located in front of the Orphanage of Edea, an important place for it. And in the introduction, we note although the Opposition characterized between Linoa and Edea.

The second hypothesis is very interesting. It suggests that Ultimecia is in truth Ellone. Ultimecia is called by Edea the "Witch of the time". In effect, person in the game to hand Ellone Ultimecia and has no influence on the time. The presence of the citadel at the orphanage is then found all his explanation (place where Ellone grew up with the Hero) as well as the presence of the corps of the White Seeds died before the citadel. The White seeds have been created to protect Ellone of any danger, so if in the future it no longer exists, they have no more reason to be (at least that their title of seed does the force at the same duty that Squall). In this theory, the presence of white seeds can mean only one thing: Ellone became evil, and they have tried to stop but have been killed.


But why Ultimecia would seek to use the power of Ellone (itself) in the past? It may be assumed that it is to send its power (the power of Ultimecia bequeathed to Edea in the past) far enough in the past, at the time where Adel was young. The reason for which it does not launch the temporal compression in the future can be explained by the fact that it may require a presence in the distant past (the time where Adel was young) and in its current time (the future of Ultimecia). This last time would also not for the future given that the time would be compressed. As well the compression would be the addition of the distant past of the young Adel as future of Ultimecia. Similarly, as Ellone can make travel the spirit of the people in the time, it little therefore know their fears. This would explain why Ultimecia invokes Cronos/griever during the final fight. In addition it has a emotional link particular With Squall which explains the fact that this is Cronos/griever who appears, but the other characters may very well see their own version of their fears (more Ellone has known all the persons present at the final confrontation except Linoa which has not grown up at the orphanage). As well, the final speech of Ultimecia, if tried that it is Ellone, would be sent to squall.

The last assumption is certainly the most simple but it must not be set aside for as much. It may very well be that Ultimecia either a simple sorceress as the other, which has absolutely nothing to see with Linoa, Edea Ellone or. In this case it would have received his power as all witches: by succession. As well it would have killed all the other witches to take more power in order to become overkill. This perspective breaks a bit the reflections carried out throughout this investigation, up to you to decide…
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Hello everyone, I am also a fan of FF7 and FF8.
For my part I do  not believe that either Linoa Ultimécia. The point raised by Yddragsil to show that there were loopholes are fair although its could loaned to confusion.
For which is feathers (white). I do not think that its either if simple, because if we pay attention, the col of the mantle of squall is also made of the pen so I do not think that the pen symbolizes Linoa but rather the Union Squall and Linoa. The pen being the symbol of the sweetness, I think that its represents their love.
I do  not believe no more than this either éllone.
Because there is no alusion to the fact that Ellone would give its power so if Ultimécia was Ellone, she would not need of these own powers of the past to initiate the cuts especially that in the past it is fatally less experienced. Although I do not think that ellone either a witch as such but just a girl who has a gift.
By against its this takes much better for Edea. One thing struck me as soon as the first time that I have played, it is his eyes. Edea Ultimécia and there the same look and the same colors of the eyes. This struck me. In addition if I remember well the black pen recovers a portion of his mantle when Linoa tries to put in him the talisman Geyger. Voila the reasons which make me rather suggest that it is Edea which is Ultimécia. The more so as Ultimécia gives these power to Edea. I do not think that a person gives evil these powers to someone else that has itself. Finally Here is the end of my conclusion.
Hello everyone, I am also a fan of FF7 and FF8.
For my part I do  not believe that either Linoa Ultimécia. The point raised by Yddragsil to show that there were loopholes are fair although its could loaned to confusion.
For which is feathers (white). I do not think that its either if simple, because if we pay attention, the col of the mantle of squall is also made of the pen so I do not think that the pen symbolizes Linoa but rather the Union Squall and Linoa. The pen being the symbol of the sweetness, I think that its represents their love.
I do  not believe no more than this either éllone.
Because there is no alusion to the fact that Ellone would give its power so if Ultimécia was Ellone, she would not need of these own powers of the past to initiate the cuts especially that in the past it is fatally less experienced. Although I do not think that ellone either a witch as such but just a girl who has a gift.
By against its this takes much better for Edea. One thing struck me as soon as the first time that I have played, it is his eyes. Edea Ultimécia and there the same look and the same colors of the eyes. This struck me. In addition if I remember well the black pen recovers a portion of his mantle when Linoa tries to put in him the talisman Geyger. Voila the reasons which make me rather suggest that it is Edea which is Ultimécia. The more so as Ultimécia gives these power to Edea. I do not think that a person gives evil these powers to someone else that has itself. Finally Here is the end of my conclusion.
Bravo once again a fabulous Summary of assumptions on the identity of Ultimécia. Nevertheless I think I for my part that Ultimécia is only a witch of the future. For this which is of cronos, I think she has inherited its powers of Linoa In Right Line after perhaps different successors. What do we know of the transfer of these powers? In my opinion a part of the knowledge of the witch who bequeathed his powers passes to the new witch in which case Ultimécia can perfectly know Cronos without knowing the link that there is between him, Linoa and squall. Of even the part tortured that appears in its final form may not symbolise that the part of his soul linked to the old Witches and to its former personality: Ultimécia is evil become but for reasons that have nothing to see with the heroes of the game.
Finally a against the argument for oversight which Ultimécia key. You say that the use of Cronos has forgotten to Linoa/Ultimécia all memory of squall. But Cronos is it well a GF? Of course it says when it does appear in the final fight. Yet Quistis Dixit and the tutorial the GF are spirits born of the planet, spirits guards. As well, there is no reason that Ultimécia or whatever can "create" a GF. However Cronos does not seem to exist as a GF in the present Squall: It is then that allegory or symbol for squall. As well Cronos is not a GF but a monster creates by Ultimécia. There is therefore more possible reason that Ultimécia has lost the memory. Of course remains still the blindness and corruption born of the evil that lives...

I am fully dakor with thee on thy sentence of end zanusa but i ttiens has te clarify that as any time loop that is created, it has never had a history. The time is a subject very compliké, it must be the appearance of a evil be ultimécia here and the modificiation time for a temporal loop is created and all the past is changed. I know well, I Vien to redo FF1 ON GBA (hehe yes i boss the above for the site you will see very soon) and the temporal loop of FF1 is arrival only after the death of garland and it has created 2000 years in the past, whereas before there was nothing. Better yet once the game finished all your adventure disappears the memories of people: The time is décoincé and everything has been forgotten.
I am not in agreement with thee , especially on what you say on the bushing , if the name of cronos exchange at the Cd 4 by raaport On behalf that it has provided to the Cd2 c is simply because ultimecia invokes the worst nightmare of squall and it wants us to know who it is or the interest of the appoint (therefore this one is called Cronos it is logical that a monster of the same name appears^^)

On the rest I am rather of agreement , except on a point that it must specify me:
You say that linoa passes from the friendly sorciere (white wings which confirms)has ultimecia (madness which explains why she wants regner on a universe uninhabitable has it only)

The theory: that is where it gets complicated!

We know that the power that has bequeathed Edea to Linoa is the same as that of Adel. So when Ellone sends these two powers in the body of the young Adel, it does custody in it that one of the two powers: the one sent to Edea to Linoa. As to the other power which is the same as that custody Adel, Ultimecia would be used to compress the time. In this case, it is as if the Ultimecia of the future would attract its own power to it while driving the time with this power (Temporal compression would then be the addition of the past in which saw the young Adel and of the future in which reign Ultimecia). This theory explains the interest of Ultimecia to use Linoa to release Adel and therefore use its own power to launch the Temporal compression.

At present, which is Ultimecia if it is not Linoa Heartilly? We can make three assumptions…

It may be that it is Edea Krammer. Given that it no longer possesses the powers of Ultimecia in it at the end of the CD2 (since it has bequeathed to Linoa) it keeps everything of Even the powers of witch it has inherited at the age of 5 years.